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MCronin
02-02-2003, 07:54 PM
OK, so I finally decided to try Wings, and I can't decide whether or not I like it yet. I will say this; something has to be done about the Linux version. They seriously need some documentation about how to install the thing and what dependencies are required. I got the source, which required EDSL, which required Erlang which required about 6 other things I didn't have and I stopped right there. I got sick of chasing dependencies.

Anyway, now I'm using it on Windows, and I need some stuff explained, because there is next to no documentation, and alot of times I don't understand the direction the status line is giving.

Set Default Axis - It says to select an axis, but it seems to only let me select point or primitive normals. I click on one of the world axis, and nothing happens. How do I set the default axis to world X, Y, or Z?

Magnets - I know what they are supposed to do, but can't work with them. Anyone want to give a simple example of how to use the magnet operation? The Magnet tool in the software I usually use requires a seperate magnet object. How does it work in Wings? I'm looking for an in depth explanation here.

Any help is appreciated

Jide
02-02-2003, 10:04 PM
Just because the installer doesn't have manuals bundled with it doesn't mean there aren't any.

I don't mean to sound rude but what's your excuse for not checking the wings3d homepage? There you have tutorials, a faq AND the user guide. If that isn't enough you can go check the official wings3d development forum, it has plenty of useful information.

SheepFactory
02-03-2003, 02:43 AM
easy there Jide , we dont shoot people for asking questions in this forum.

Mcronin , i cant answer your first question , but magnets are pretty straightforward , first you have to enable them

edit - advanced preferences -> advanced menu

than do this:

create a sphere

select a couple of vertex , edge or faces

right click and select move - y and click on the little magnet icon.

than select another vertex , this vertex defines the falloff distance

after you select the vertex (which will be highlighted in blue) right click to activate tool and move it around.

this should give you an idea on how the magnets work.

gidgit
02-03-2003, 03:34 AM
Hey, thanks for the explaination there Sheep... gee, so straight forward that even I could follow along...haha

MCronin... here's the Wings Manual... pdf (http://www.wings3d.com/Nov06_User_Manual.pdf) , don't know if someone has posted this already, but...

Have fun eh

MCronin
02-03-2003, 04:19 AM
@Jide

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize there was some prerequisite for posting in your forum here. I didn't see the sign on the door.

For your info:

1)The help for installing Wings on Linux is nothing more than to build it or download the precompiled version from another site. The other site says "Oh, you may need EDSL". EDSL requires Erlang, Erlang requires other crap, that requires other crap... There's no specific info on the myriad of other dependencies you will need to install Wings on Linux anywhere that I could find, and chasing dependencies is a pain.

2)The user guide on the official Wings homepage for magnet that I found, if I remember correctly, is just two pictures showing what the magnet op does, no explanation really how to use it.

3)The links to the user docs for the tool drop down menu (which explains the Set Default Axis tool) on the Wings site don't work for me.

I checked the user guide, read the help menu items, and I also looked at the Wings forums before posting here. I just wanted some clarification because I'd like to understand how to use this piece of software. I won't make that mistake again, sorry.

Thanks for the help Mad Sheep.

MCronin
02-03-2003, 04:23 AM
Thaks for the manual gidgit:)

tsuru
02-03-2003, 03:34 PM
I can understand your frustration MCronin and believe me there are people working on making it easier. I personally am trying to maintain install scripts for Gentoo Linux (http://www.gentoo.org/). Unfortunately this is not a very mainstream distro. I know there are others who are working on RPM based packages which hopefully will appease the Redhat based fans.

As we all know this app is being developed by one guy as a hobby therefore a lot, if not most, of the end-user support comes from the community who uses it. In time I think we will see easy linux install packages but until then if you really are wanting to try it on linux search out people in #wings3d on irc.freenode.net or in your fav forum :) Unfortunately I don't have some of the links handy to point you to right now but when I get back to my computer at home I will be glad to send them your way unless someone else here beats me to them first :) hint hint.

--edit--
Okay waldosworld (http://www.waldosworld.org/linux/) is the place I was thinking prepackaged linux binaries were. Unfortunately it does't look like it's been updated in quite a while.

Jide
02-03-2003, 04:42 PM
I apologize if I came out as too rude. It would've helped if you said you had searched everywhere already. I just get irritated with people who can't search foranything but go ask questions in forums instantly, though now I see it wasn't the case here.

MCronin
02-03-2003, 04:44 PM
Oh, I wasn't really complaining so much as making a suggestion and asking for help. I got it to "almost" install on Linux using the precompiled versions and modifying the dated sh script I found on one of these sites. I don't have a problem with compiling the software myself, but everytime I try it seeems something is missing that I have to go and hunt down. I wanted to try to compile it for Irix, but I can't even get it running on Linux so I guess that's out of the question.

MCronin
02-03-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Jide
I apologize if I came out as too rude. It would've helped if you said you had searched everywhere already. I just get irritated with people who can't search foranything but go ask questions in forums instantly, though now I see it wasn't the case here.

No harm done.

dgud
02-03-2003, 08:00 PM
MCronin!

Yes making wings run on linux reguires some work, that usually
the way it is on linux (kind of a hackish platform). If you search
in the wings forum you will find both pre-compiled rpm or debian packages. (old wings versions but still erlang is precompiled)

Neither me or Bjorn has access to an Irix computer so we can't
help you with that (if you send us one we will support it forever :-), the problem is making erlang run on irix, if you can compile erlang the other packages shouldn't be a problem.

You start with erlang download it (from www.erlang.org) run
setenv LANG=c (this is needed only on redhat 8.0)
./configure -enable-threads
make
make install

Erlang shouldn't need anything special if you got a pretty standard distribution.

Download a precompiled sdl from www.libsdl.org and install.

Download esdl from esdl.sf.net
make
make install

Download wings and run make
make a little shell script that looks something like
#!/bin/sh
erl -pa /home/mcronin/wings/ebin -run wings start_halt
(it's described in the readme).


Regards
/Dan "author of esdl"

rabban
02-03-2003, 10:56 PM
Hi I'm new,
I'm going to go off topic here but I just wanted to know how everybody felt about
POV-ray? I have never used it but it seems to be capable of goog quality images
but the website says it has bugs concerning normals. I know this way of topic
but I was hoping some of you savvy types may know something of the program?

penguinpavilion
02-04-2003, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by gidgit
MCronin... here's the Wings Manual... pdf (http://www.wings3d.com/Nov06_User_Manual.pdf) , don't know if someone has posted this already, but... [/B]
Thanks a boatload gidgit. I had been searching for this very thing and had given up!

Thaank YOU,
Fred

gidgit
02-04-2003, 06:49 AM
Hey your welcome Fred... that's what the forums are all about... :D

I am just real glad that the good folks here at CGT have made this Wings forum... This rocks...



:thumbsup:

Qslugs
02-05-2003, 03:51 AM
Hey, what version/flavor of linux do you need to install wings on? I am also thinking about installing a couple other apps like filmgimp as well. Does wings work in the same linux as filmgimp?? Anyone know?

somlor
02-05-2003, 04:27 AM
I'd say go with Redhat unless you have a reason not to. You'll find the most docs/support/rpms online probably. I got wings3d and filmgimp to install with zero hassle.

(s)

MCronin
02-05-2003, 04:28 AM
Both Wings and FilmGimp are distributed as source so you can compile it on any version of Linux you may be using. I personally have used Film Gimp on RedHat and Debian. Just know that virtually every shop that uses Linux in production uses RedHat, and most software distributions that are precompiled are compiled for RedHat though they can often be used with other Linux variants.

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